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oscar
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"BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
 
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BHT < butylated hydroxytoluene> did cure me of hepatitis-C. I was symptomatic, had a failing liver and went to a VA outpatient clinic because I was sick. I was tested and retested using the antigens and antibodies tests and came back a definite POSITVE. The doctor I was seeing scheduled me for a follow up. He was going to come up with some treatment for me. This was back in 1997.
On the way home I stopped in a bookstore and bought a copy of Pearson and Shaw`s THE LIFE EXTENSION COMPANION. In that book they discuss BHT as a treatment for HERPES and note that it is a lipid enveloped virus. I went to a library and found out hepatitis-C is also a lipid enveloped virus. I stopped in at a local supplements store and sure enough they had BHT. It was sold in 200mg capsules and I began taking them on an empty stomach as they suggested. Anyway, by the time I showed up for my next doctor`s appointment I was so improved that the doctor decided to retest me using the hepatitis-C RNA test and to forgo the dangerous interferon therapy for the time being. That test came back indeterminate. He said he did not know what to make of that and ordered another Hep-C RNA test and set up an appointment for the next week. That test came back NEGATIVE.
So, in about 3 to 4 weeks I was no longer sick with hepatitis-C and had NO VIRAL LOAD in my blood. I still take BHT to prevent the many other viral diseases BHT is known to prevent and CURE. I never had any side effects. ...Oscar

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loran
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1. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hi Oscar,
I'm glad to hear that BHT worked for you. I also have hepatitis. How much BHT did you take on a daily basis? I've tried it several times without any success. Were you taking any other antiviral supplements?
Thanks,
Loran


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oscar
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2. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   >Hi Oscar,
>I'm glad to hear that BHT worked for you. I also have
>hepatitis. How much BHT did you take on a daily basis? I've
>tried it several times without any success. Were you taking
>any other antiviral supplements?
>Thanks,
>Loran

Hello Loran, I was taking one ,200mg capsule per day with water on an empty stomach. I never used any other supplements. A person named gina had simlar results:ttp://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=567847&highlight=cirrosis

Oscar


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3. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Dear Loran, It, BHT, does take a few weeks to work. How long did you take it ? Did you mix it with anything such as some oil as some suggest but I strongly disagree with ? I very much want to see you get well. I am trying to nail down the best way to administer BHT and only have my own experience and that of a few others to go by as a treatment for hepatitis C. Like I said: I take BHT on an empty stomach with water and allow an hour or so for it to be metabolized and absorbed before eating anything. ...Oscar

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4. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hi Oscar,

Well you're very lucky to have been cured using BHT. I've been taking it for awhile now and I'm still positive. Some people have a self immunity to hep C and maybe you're one of the lucky ones. But like you, I'll still probably continue to take BHT to prevent other diseases. I'll probably have to find another chemical to whip the hepatitis though.

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5. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hello Loran, I am not one of the lucky ones. BHT cured me of hepatitis C. I was very sick with this infection and was diagnosed as such after extensive testing in 1997 by the Veterans Administration. Now, at the very least, from what you have said you tolerate BHT well. Is that true ? Please know I very much appreciate your feedback about this.
Also: How have you been taking BHT ? Have you been mixing it with anything other than water ? Have you been taking it on an empty stomach ? Having you been allowing one hour for BHT to be metabolized and for those metabolites to be absorbed ?
I am not trying to be hard on you my friend, I am trying to find out what works or does not work as to BHT as a treatment for hepatitis C.
There is me, and gina, and janurary who had equally dramatic results using BHT to treat hepatitis C. Here is january`s statement about that. You have to scroll through a short thread about this to read what he has to say about this here:http://forum.lef.org/default.aspx?f=41&m=44212
And gina here: http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=567847&highlight=cirrosis%C2%A0

Unfortunately both of these people provide no details as to how they were taking this BHT. No mention of dosages or whether or not they were mixing it with oils or not. Only that BHT worked VERY well for their hepatitis C infections.
You responded to my posting, please provide some details. Have you had any blood tests done since you began using BHT or not ? Things like that are crucial to answering these questions.
I have been posting about this for over 10 years now and people like you are VERY difficult for me to find. ...Oscar

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6. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hi Oscar,
I haven't taken BHT for a couple months now, but I ordered some last night online. In the past, I've always taken it with some food or alcohol because I thought it was fat or ethanol soluble. This time I'll take it on an empty stomach. I've never had any side effects from it except for feeling a little woozy once or twice from taking megadoses, which I took in the past for oral herpes. This was before I contracted hepatitis. There is another chemical called undecylenic acid which I've also ordered from a chemical supply company. This acid is actually produced by our bodies in small quantities and has GREAT antifungal and antiviral qualities. Before the negative press over taking chemicals like BHT, Vitamin Research Products offered a FANTASTIC antiviral supplement consisting of BHT, BHA and thiodipropionic acid. I wish VRP or Pearson and Shaw would offer a product like this again, but there's so much negative info on taking BHT and BHA these days. Like BHT, I never had any side effects from taking BHA, but it was a VERY beneficial anitiviral. It would be wonderful to find a relatively inexpensive cure for hepatitis that works for just about everyone.


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7. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   >Hi Oscar,
>I haven't taken BHT for a couple months now, but I ordered
>some last night online. In the past, I've always taken it
>with some food or alcohol because I thought it was fat or
>ethanol soluble. This time I'll take it on an empty stomach.
>I've never had any side effects from it except for feeling a
>little woozy once or twice from taking megadoses, which I
>took in the past for oral herpes. This was before I
>contracted hepatitis. There is another chemical called
>undecylenic acid which I've also ordered from a chemical
>supply company. This acid is actually produced by our bodies
>in small quantities and has GREAT antifungal and antiviral
>qualities. Before the negative press over taking chemicals
>like BHT, Vitamin Research Products offered a FANTASTIC
>antiviral supplement consisting of BHT, BHA and
>thiodipropionic acid. I wish VRP or Pearson and Shaw would
>offer a product like this again, but there's so much
>negative info on taking BHT and BHA these days. Like BHT, I
>never had any side effects from taking BHA, but it was a
>VERY beneficial anitiviral. It would be wonderful to find a
>relatively inexpensive cure for hepatitis that works for
>just about everyone.
RESPONSE:
Hello Loran, Thank you for getting back to me. I apologize for not getting back to you sooner.
Like you, I have read all these dire warnings about BHT. I have also looked at the extensive research into the toxicity of BHT and found out that without exception it is only at truly massive dosing ANY negative impact is observed in these very many studies. In fact there is a huge body of evidence that BHT is GOOD for you if taken in less than massive doses. That is absolutely true. In many mice and other mammal studies daily dosing with BHT has consistantly shown a very significant Average Lifespan Increase of up to 50%. It is usually in the 30% to 40% range in these many studies. Here is a table of such results published in PHYSIOLOGICAL REVIEWS that shows BHT far and away the MOST effective Average Lifespan Extender when compared to other anti-oxidants: http://physrev.physiology.org/content/87/4/1175/T3.expansion.html
You may not have been aware of that. Few people are. I have been at this BHT as a treatment for hepatitis C for about 14 years now, promoting it and such. Few people seem to be willing to even give it a try. Sadly, people including Pearson and Shaw have discouraged people with liver disease from even trying BHT as a treatment. In my opinion hepatitis C is especially treatable with BHT because of the structure of the viruses. It is a small virus with a very high content of lipids in the outer coating. Exactly the sort of virus the BHT metabolites will be attracted to. I do know there are different subtypes of hepatitis C. But as far as I know all of their structures are very similar in those regards < small and with a high lipid content in their outer coatings>.
Also, sadly in my opinion, many influential people have promoted mixing BHT with different oils. This defeats the purpose in my opinion based on my experience. BHT has to be made somewhat water soluble to be absorbed and enter the bloodstream as does any and all oils. So when you mix BHT with oils you flood the bloodstream with metabolites of any such oil along with the metabolites of BHT. The chances of the metabolites of BHT reaching those lipid enveloped viruses is greatly reduced when mixed with any oil in my opinion. I can not help but wonder if some of these people who promote mixing BHT with oils have even bothered to consider how oils and BHT are metabolized.
Anyway, you know that you tolerate BHT well. So why not try taking it as I have suggested: with a gulp of water and on an empty stomach and allow for one hour for BHT to be metabolized and those metabolites of BHT to be absorbed. I take in the morning before eating any food. Give that a try and see what happens. I was only taking 200mg per day dosages in this manner and the second Hepatitis C RNA test I was given came back NEGATIVE in about one month. I weighed and still weigh about 180 pounds. An average size adult male for whatever that is worth. Because you tolerate BHT well I see no reason why taking the 350mg capsules BHT is most often sold as should be a problem for you. That is the dosage I now take.
Also, please do report whatever the results are using BHT as a treatment for hepatitis C. That is important, whatever the results are.
I do not know how much longer I am going to be able to stay with these efforts of mine. I was severely injured in 1968. I was gutshot. My right kidney, most of my liver and about half of my large intestine were blown out my back with extensive tissue damage through out my right side. That and the extensive surgeries performed on me have left me in a lot of constant pain which has been getting worse as time goes by. Though my physical health seems to be holding up quite well, my mental abilities seem to me to be significantly deteriorating because of that constant pain. I am only up for getting on the computer every other day at this time. I have to drink beer to knock back the pain so I can think clearly. You seem to me a regular sort of guy and that is why I trust you not to judge me for my mental weaknesses. Your Friend, ...Oscar

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8. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hi Oscar,

Thanks for all the info. You sound perfectly lucid and intelligent to me. I'm sorry to hear about your injuries. What's worked for me in the past to reduce pain is megadoses of vitamin C, and calcium citrate and vitamin D in a product called Citracal.

When I get the BHT, I'll probably take something like 2 capsules 4 times per day on an empty stomach. I like the idea of its increasing longevity. I've never had a problem with any side effects. It's quite amazing that you would be talking about the virus's lipid coating. And just the other day I read online about a hep C patient, whose viral load decreased by 50 TIMES after taking a statin called fluvastatin to reduce his cholesterol. Apparently the virus uses the cholesterol to build its fatty coat. Needless to say, in the last couple of days I've become a strict vegan to try and starve the virus of its fat.
Yours,
Loran


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9. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   >Hi Oscar,
>
>Thanks for all the info. You sound perfectly lucid and
>intelligent to me. I'm sorry to hear about your injuries.
>What's worked for me in the past to reduce pain is megadoses
>of vitamin C, and calcium citrate and vitamin D in a product
>called Citracal.
>
>When I get the BHT, I'll probably take something like 2
>capsules 4 times per day on an empty stomach. I like the
>idea of its increasing longevity. I've never had a problem
>with any side effects. It's quite amazing that you would be
>talking about the virus's lipid coating. And just the other
>day I read online about a hep C patient, whose viral load
>decreased by 50 TIMES after taking a statin called
>fluvastatin to reduce his cholesterol. Apparently the virus
>uses the cholesterol to build its fatty coat. Needless to
>say, in the last couple of days I've become a strict vegan
>to try and starve the virus of its fat.
>Yours,
>Loran

Hello Loran, Thank you for this informative response. It is clear to me you take all this very seriously as do I. Sadly, it seems to me that most doctors refer to their Physicians Desk References for any and all information. In my opinion these PDR`S are in essence written by the different BIG PHARMA drug companies and are nothing more than sales promotion literature that in many instances have little if any value and are outright self serving lies in many instances. And also, many in the ALTERNATIVES COMMUNITY are woefully ignorant when it comes to BHT specifically. Well, forget them. I gave up on them many years ago, at least when it comes to BHT as a treatment for hepatitis C. It seems it is up to people like you and me to come up with some valid answers about this.
That information you shared with me about the hepatitis C viruses using cholesterol to build their outer coatings is important. I did not know that, but it makes sense and seems to fit well, agrees with everything I have learned about all this.
I must tell you my friend: I do think that taking two 350mg capsules 4 times a day is overdoing it. I never take more than two 350mg capsules per day. The NOEL < No-Observed-Effects-Level> as to toxicity for BHT is 25mg per kg of body weight per day. That works out to 1,250mg of BHT per day for a 110 pound person. I will post a link to that report. Negative impacts are detected in doses that exceed that level. Please do not do that. There is no reason to and many well founded reasons not to, from the extensive research that has been done. You have a compromised liver also. These studies are based on healthy animals and so are those numbers. From my experience one 350mg capsule of BHT per day is as much as you need to take to get the desired results taken as I have discussed. Give that a try and see what happens. Please do not take more than that. You should know in less than one month if it is working or not. From my experience and that of January`s and gina`s you should start feeling much better in about 2 weeks. Please give that smaller dose a chance. Here is a link to that toxicity report. To read that NOEL statement scroll through this very lengthy report to section 4. EVALUATION. It is the last section < a very short one> at the bottom of this report, BUT before the very lengthy REFERENCES section. Here it is: http://www.inchem.org/documents/jecfa/jecmono/v35je02.htm

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10. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hi Oscar,
How are you doing my friend? How are you feeling?
Loran


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11. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   >Hi Oscar,
>How are you doing my friend? How are you feeling?
>Loran

Hello Loran, I am very concerned about how you are doing. I no longer have HCV and you do. I am concerned that you may take too much BHT. I do not want to lose contact with you.
Are you seeing a doctor at this time ? The reason I ask is because liver function test results are very important. Do you have medical insurance or can you get public assistance for medical care ? I want to see you get well and these liver function tests are the only way to know how well your liver is functioning.
I am very physically healthy and have been ever since my recovery from that acute hepatitis C infection, with a failing liver back in 1997. I had a physical exam this year, 2011, and that is what I was told. Interestingly enough, my VA healthcare provider told me my cholesterol readings were quote " excellent ".
You brought to my attention the connection between hepatitis C and cholesterol. There is an interesting study that was done that discusses the interaction of BHT and oxidized cholesterols in the liver specifically. Here is a link to that study: http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:3P0BelyPEwIJ:www.scielo.cl/pdf/bres/v36n3-4/art02.pdf+Oxidation+and+Stability+of+Fish+Oil+Role+of+Antioxidants+%22Food+Grade%22+filetype:pdf&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESh0iCFqyLn0QSAu-_t009_6rPqa98x4z4aA0ZN6lNufsmLt2SaxOb4CU7AJo9TKrg2scAU9b9ltEAExVOrC--G4RGTt-mMnG-ivrIrDPMDznQ5J1ppWu5FDPuys3WDj4sNDIdef&sig=AHIEtbT8ZpIoZscgfQi1Zj3XnP2asgD-8g
I hope that link works. It is a long one. We will see if it does or not. Fascinating information about how BHT interacts with cholesterols in the liver. Stay in touch with me. ...Oscar

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12. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hi Oscar,
Nice to hear from you. I'm taking a lot of BHT with no side effects, but it's not curing my hepatitis. You were very lucky!
Do you remember when hep C was called non A, non B hepatitis? Well I'm caught between a rock and a hard spot, Oscar, as the virus I have continues to take me down. I am unable to get any treatment because I unfortunately have non A, non B, non C hepatitis. I have a form of hepatitis from the Philippines that to date is undiagnosed. Therefore, I can find no doctor to treat me. Sometimes my liver enzymes are relatively normal and other times they are more than 10 TIMES normal.
My liver hurts and my pancreas hurts. I've been diagnosed with the rare form of hepatitis E, but apparently that virus is no longer in my system. I have a second rare form of hepatitis, and I can't find a doctor who will try and diagnose it. So I don't know what to do, Oscar. It's a slow, miserable death. You know what it feels like and how it affects you. What can I say? You're about the only person I've ever mentioned this to.
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13. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   >Hi Oscar,
>Nice to hear from you. I'm taking a lot of BHT with no side
>effects, but it's not curing my hepatitis. You were very
>lucky!
>Do you remember when hep C was called non A, non B
>hepatitis? Well I'm caught between a rock and a hard spot,
>Oscar, as the virus I have continues to take me down. I am
>unable to get any treatment because I unfortunately have non
>A, non B, non C hepatitis. I have a form of hepatitis from
>the Philippines that to date is undiagnosed. Therefore, I
>can find no doctor to treat me. Sometimes my liver enzymes
>are relatively normal and other times they are more than 10
>TIMES normal.
>My liver hurts and my pancreas hurts. I've been diagnosed
>with the rare form of hepatitis E, but apparently that virus
>is no longer in my system. I have a second rare form of
>hepatitis, and I can't find a doctor who will try and
>diagnose it. So I don't know what to do, Oscar. It's a slow,
>miserable death. You know what it feels like and how it
>affects you. What can I say? You're about the only person
>I've ever mentioned this to.
>Loran

Hello Loran, I use the quote function so that I can carefully review what you tell me as I respond. My first response is to once again urge you not to take large doses of BHT. I know for many people this seems counter intuitive. BHT is a very powerful anti-oxidant and you can overdue a good thing. The metabolism of oxygen < oxidation> is one of the basic chemical reactions that life requires. Please give the one capsule of 350mg of BHT a try for 3 weeks and see if there is some improvement or not.
I had hepatitis C and B, both of which are viral diseases. I also had hepatitis A, which is a bacterial infection. I am wondering if you might also have hepatitis A or some other form of bacterial hepatitis. You spent some time in the Philippines I see. An area of the World well known for all types of hepatitis. Have you been tested for hepatitis A ? This bacterial form of hepatitis is treatable with certain antibiotics. I do not recall which antibiotics off hand but that will be easy enough for me to find out.
Also, are you able to do moderate types of physical exercise at this time such as riding a bicycle ? Some exercise surely can not hurt and would be likely to help. I do recall that I was doing moving jobs for a living back in 1997 when I was sick with hepatitis C. This forced me to do considerable exercise while I was using the BHT to treat my HCV infection. It may have made some difference in how my body reacted to the BHT treatment. I do know how retched it feels to be sick with hepatitis and how you just don`t feel like doing any exercise.
For now, please try just one 350mg of BHT with water per day and try and do some moderate form of exercise. Also, get tested for hepatitis A. I will look into what I can find out about the rarer types of hepatitis and see what I can learn about that. I am no scientist but I am able to read and understand most biochemistry articles. I am also good at doing web searches to learn new things which seems to me more than some of these scientists seem willing to do. I do NOT assume I know it all. Just the opposite. I am always trying to learn more in hope of coming up with some valid answers about hepatitis in all of it`s forms.
Also I was taking some form of selenium. Selenium is an element so it was not doubt some compound of selenium. It was the kind commonly sold in drugstores, whatever that is. I never took more than one 300mcg of this compound a day. That is 300 micrograms NOT milligrams. One micro-gram equals 1/1,000th of a milligram. Do not confuse an mg and a mcg.
I will stay in touch with you. Please get that hepatitis A test if you can. It is quite possible you are dealing with both a viral and a bacterial hepatitis infection. Your friend, ...Oscar

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14. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Loran my friend, There are a number of different bacterial, parasitic, and fungal infectious entities, along with the different viruses that can cause liver disease. Simply drinking contaminated water can result in many of these infections. You did say you spent time in the Philippines.
Are you an American citizen ? The reason I ask is because I am familiar with what health services may be available to you in the USA. For example, as sick as you are I think it is very likely you would qualify for medicare and also a Social Security Disability pension.
You need to be seeing a qualified doctor to establish a comprehensive diagnosis as to just what is wrong with your liver. This requires some comprehensive testing and only a qualified doctor can do that. I want to help you, but need to know what services may be available to you and need to know what Country you live in to do that. Please get back to me with an answer to that question and let`s take it from there. I am an American, but am in no way prejudiced as to a person`s Nationality. I want to see all peoples get well. Your Friend, Oscar

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16. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hi Oscar,

I'm an American citizen like you. Suffering from chronic fatigue and the inability to work in addition to my other symtoms, which you know only too well, I had to apply for social security and am receiving medicare. I take megadoses of antivirals like vitamin C and BHT, which is probably the reason that my liver enzymes are realtively normal at times. That plus the fact that I don't have hepatitis C seems to make doctors think that I don't have hepatitis at all.

My experience is that the medical profession in general is really STUCK on hepatis C. If you don't have hep C, then you don't have hepatitis. My doctor knows that I have liver and pancreas pain and just recently ordered a blood test to determine their status. I'll find out in the next few days. In the meantime without any treatment it's a tough row to hoe.
Yours,
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15. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hi Oscar,

Although I didn't mention it to you in my last message, I acquired hepatitis A here in the States AFTER returning from the Philippines. It was in my system for a few weeks or a couple months before dissipating. I no longer have hep A or E, but some other rare form of hepatitis which hasn't been diagnosed.

I wish that BHT would work for me and maybe it is to a certain extent, but I don't think it will offer me a cure, although I continue to take it on a daily basis. There should be some other chemical that I could try, but I'm not sure what that is.

Your friend,
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17. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hi Loran, Well, I am glad to know you have medicare because I know how expensive medical care is and this means you should be able to find a qualified doctor to see you. I am at least getting a clearer picture of what resources should be available to you. I use the word should because from what you have told me you are having trouble finding said doctor and I expect you are getting some sort of a run around finding one.
Have you tried doing a computer search for liver specialists in your area ? Do not give up on finding a doctor. Stubborn persistence is at times required with officialdom. The fact that you have such poor liver function test results is proof there is something seriously wrong with your liver. It is important to get and save a copy of these records.
You should also qualify for a social security disability pension. This may be why you are meeting with such resistance. You need to find a doctor who is on your side in these matters. It can be done.
Also, as I said before, I think it is NOT good for you to be mega-dosing with BHT or anything else for that matter. I have studied biology and molecular biology for about 14 years now and that is my opinion. The different systems, organs and such and especially the liver did not evolve in such a way as to cope well with mega-dossing. That is my opinion for what that is worth. I also do NOT have a degree in ANYTHING. But I have studied the different textbooks I have on chemistry, organic chemistry, biology, and molecular biology with a focus on BHT and hepatitis. I guess you could say it is my hobby or something like that. In a very real way it has a lot to do with learning something akin to another language. I also have a lot of experience with dealing with officialdom. Mostly the Veterans Administration but also Social Security. I used to help some veterans I knew get the benefits they qualified for when I lived in Boston. I now live out in the sticks of Upstate New York in the Syracuse area. This I did for friends like you, not as a paid professional. I am not bragging, rather letting you know that I am NOT a qualified professional in ANYTHING really. Think of me as a friend with some knowledge in those areas, but not to be considered as having the expertise of true professionals. Though I will say some of these professionals seem to me to have a lack of understanding in some of the basic principals of biology or even chemistry. For example some of the well known authors who discuss BHT therapy appear to be unaware of the fact that BHT does NOT enter the bloodstream, the metabolites of BHT do. Things like that really do make me wonder at times. I have some things I need to do right now.
Please try and do some moderate, easy types of exercise. Some form of exercise is important. I will stay in touch. ...Oscar

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18. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hi Oscar,
I used to walk for miles almost on a daily basis before I got the hep. Now I experience so much chronic fatigue and perspiration with any exertion that it's virtually impossible for me to exercise. My doctor is concerned about my welfare and has sent me to a couple of specialists but my liver enzymes came back relatively normal. And since I don't have hepatitis C, the specialists basically didn't know what else they could do. My doc ran the liver test again a few days ago, and we're waiting for the results. I do have a report where my enzymes were more than 10 TIMES that of normal. But the next time they were tested, they came back relatively normal. I think what's protecting my liver to a certain extent is the megadoses of vitamin C that I'm taking. Noble prize winner Linus Pauling wrote a book about megadosing on vitamin C to prevent and even cure cancer. The only side effect from megadoses of vitamin C is that it leaches calcium from your bones. I know about that and take Citracal, a calcium supplement.
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19. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hello Loran, I am familiar with Dr.Linus Pauling. He won the Nobel prize for his ground breaking work regarding the nature of chemical bonds and also the Nobel Peace prize if my memory serves me correctly. I have his book " General Chemistry " as one of my reference books. His innate intelligence and extensive knowledge place him in a class so far beyond me and most everyone else there is no comparison. I believe he also correctly determined the vitamin C cycle among his other many accomplishments. I wish he was still alive to look into BHT. A man of his caliber could come up with some reliable answers about BHT. I am no Linus Pauling and very, very far from it.
The one thing that continues to cross my mind concerning you that might be helpful is to add a moderate amount of red meat, beef to your diet. For moral reasons I abstained from eating all meat for about 15 years. I did notice that with the addition of about one third of a pound of good quality lean beef to my diet my overall strength did increase significantly. That is one third of a pound per day.
So, for right now, all I can do is to encourage you to use common sense good health practices along with a moderate 350mg per day dose of BHT with a gulp of water on an empty stomach. I also take vitamin B complex vitamin that seems to help me. NOT a mega dose. I do not believe in mega dosing with anything. On the other hand vitamin C is one of the safer things to use higher doses of and if you feel it is helping you who am I to say different ? And try and do some exercise. Just some short walks outside if nothing else even if you do not feel like it. It is important. I do know what it is like to live with a sick liver and how you simply don`t want to even get out of bed at times. Some simple changes like those I have suggested can make a big difference in a person`s over all health.
I am very encouraged that you are seeing a doctor. You are fighting for your life and need to do those things that you can to make some improvement. I have to go now to get some things done. I will stay in touch with you and at least be a supportive friend. ...Oscar

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20. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hi Oscar,
Well, you're quite well read if you have Linus Pauling's book General Chenistry. I've never read any of his books, but heard about his research on vitamin C and cancer.

I think I may purchase some zinc undecylenate or calcium undecylenate from a chemical supplier. Calcium undecylenate is also available in capsule form from a supplement manufacturer. They both have antifungal/antiviral properties. It appears that the calcium undecylenate is the more effective of the two. I'd also probably buy some betaine hydrochloride for better assimiliation of the undecylenate. My blood work results are not in yet. How are your pain levels?

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21. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   >Hi Oscar,
>Well, you're quite well read if you have Linus Pauling's
>book General Chenistry. I've never read any of his books,
>but heard about his research on vitamin C and cancer.
>
>I think I may purchase some zinc undecylenate or calcium
>undecylenate from a chemical supplier. Calcium undecylenate
>is also available in capsule form from a supplement
>manufacturer. They both have antifungal/antiviral
>properties. It appears that the calcium undecylenate is the
>more effective of the two. I'd also probably buy some
>betaine hydrochloride for better assimiliation of the
>undecylenate. My blood work results are not in yet. How are
>your pain levels?
>
>Loran

Well, it is becoming apparent to me you are as much of an amateur researcher as I am. Those compounds you discussed are totally new to me. The professionals to a large degree have their hands tied. It often takes them years to get the go ahead with anything they wish to investigate and sometimes decades to do human research. I will be looking into calcium undecylenate and zinc undecylenate. I have no idea what they are but am very interested and will find out.
Please do let me know what your tests results are. I am very much hoping that you also will " get lucky " with the BHT treatment. Who knows, maybe we will come up with a treatment that will blow the PROS away. We will probably never see a dime for our efforts, but screw it. I will always acknowledge you as the originator, if something comes of your investigations into the undecylenates as a treatment for hepatitis of any type. Keep those records Loran. This forum is a public record for what that is worth: as in undecylenate turns out to be an effective treatment for hepatitis-X. The unknown at this time hepatitis viral infection. Or some fungal form of hepatitis. This is your baby. We will see what comes of it. Your Friend, ...Oscar

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22. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hello Oscar,

You know calcium undecylenate is one of the salts from the castor bean, which has many medicinal properties. The great "Sleeping Prophet" Edgar Cayce while in trance recommended castor oil to many of his followers seeking treatment for various ailments. It's amazing how many of them were cured. Normally he prescribed it for external use because the oil contains ricin which is highly toxic if taken internally.

Edgar Cayce, a devout Christian, who believed in the Trinity was given information while in trance that the Lord Jesus and God are NOT one in the same, but are in fact SEPARATE beings. There are many good books written by him and about him.

The one I like the most is entitled The Lives Of Edgar Cayce by W. H. Church, which is a fascinating account of reincarnation and the 17 chronicled lives of Edgar Cayce from the time before Adam to a future life in 2158 A.D. I just ordered a copy from Amazon.com for 80 cents.

Being a recent convert to Catholicism, however, I am more than content to believe in the Trinity and that Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit are One. It's a mystery, but a certainty that their message of love is One.
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23. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   >Hello Oscar,
>
>You know calcium undecylenate is one of the salts from the
>castor bean, which has many medicinal properties. The great
>"Sleeping Prophet" Edgar Cayce while in trance recommended
>castor oil to many of his followers seeking treatment for
>various ailments. It's amazing how many of them were cured.
>Normally he prescribed it for external use because the oil
>contains ricin which is highly toxic if taken internally.
>
>Edgar Cayce, a devout Christian, who believed in the Trinity
>was given information while in trance that the Lord Jesus
>and God are NOT one in the same, but are in fact SEPARATE
>beings. There are many good books written by him and about
>him.
>
>The one I like the most is entitled The Lives Of Edgar Cayce
>by W. H. Church, which is a fascinating account of
>reincarnation and the 17 chronicled lives of Edgar Cayce
>from the time before Adam to a future life in 2158 A.D. I
>just ordered a copy from Amazon.com for 80 cents.
>
>Being a recent convert to Catholicism, however, I am more
>than content to believe in the Trinity and that Jesus, God
>and the Holy Spirit are One. It's a mystery, but a certainty
>that their message of love is One.
>Loran

Hello Loran, I am concerned about your trying this calcium undecylenate stuff. From what I have read about it, it is mostly used as a topical treatment for things like athletes feet and other fungal infections. I assume you know a lot more about it than I do. There is a discussion of some other uses here: http://www.ihealthdirectory.com/calcium-undecylenate/
I don`t know enough about it to have an opinion about it`s use if taken internally. Is it considered safe to ingest ? This is all totally new to me.
Also, I am very skeptical of all religions. I do base my thinking and beliefs on science. I know from past experience that this can be a problem for some believers in religion. I do not try and influence my friends beliefs regarding religion, but I would be dishonest to pretend I am a believer. I simply do not discuss religion with friends and relatives who are believers. I can honestly say I do try and be a good person. To never intentionally harm others unless in self defense. And to try and help others when I can. Things like that which agree with much of what Jesus Christ taught for what that is worth. I am not greedy and have not devoted my life to enriching myself. I hope you can still look at me as a friend.
Let me ask you this Loran: Has there been any improvement in your hepatitis condition from taking BHT as I have discussed or not ? Of course I have been hoping there would be, but desire to know what the results are so far whatever they are. I do very much hope for your complete recovery from whatever form of hepatitis you are dealing with. Your Friend, ...Oscar

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24. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hi Oscar,

Well the BHT may have helped to some extent, but it didn't cure anything. I'll probably order some more, however, and continue to take it. I've actually taken it on and off for years.

Calcium undecylenate (CU) is no more toxic than BHT and is available in capsule form in some over-the-counter supplements. I'm hoping it's a better antiviral, although I'm very happy that BHT worked for you! As a result of your healing, which is VERY rare, I think that God may have a mission for you. Do you feel that you have a mission? I'll bet you do.

The problem with the CU is absorption. From what I've read, it's only soluble in boiling alcohol. My blood work results are still not in.


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25. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   LAST EDITED ON Aug-15-11 AT 08:12 AM (CDST)
 
>Hi Oscar,
>
>Well the BHT may have helped to some extent, but it didn't
>cure anything. I'll probably order some more, however, and
>continue to take it. I've actually taken it on and off for
>years.
>
>Calcium undecylenate (CU) is no more toxic than BHT and is
>available in capsule form in some over-the-counter
>supplements. I'm hoping it's a better antiviral, although
>I'm very happy that BHT worked for you! As a result of your
>healing, which is VERY rare, I think that God may have a
>mission for you. Do you feel that you have a mission? I'll
>bet you do.
>
>The problem with the CU is absorption. From what I've read,
>it's only soluble in boiling alcohol. My blood work results
>are still not in.

Hello Loran, Well for starters: It seems to me you only very recently started taking the BHT again. Also, are you taking it on an empty stomach or not ? Are you using the 350mg per day dosage ? This mega dosing with BHT is NOT a good idea in my opinion. It WILL interfere with basic biologic processes. The metabolism of oxygen is THE most basic of all the many chemical processes involved in maintaining life itself. This process IS a form of oxidation. Too much BHT will screw up your body`s chemistry and make you sick. That is the conclusions made by the many scientists who have done all those studies have come to. Some BHT is good for you. Megadosing is bad for you. Please give that 350mg per day of BHT on an empty stomach a chance and see how you feel after a few weeks.
Where did you get this notion of megadosing with BHT anyway ? It is NOT safe to do.
Also, some exercise is important for everyone. I understand very well that people suffering with liver disease are often very low energy and have no desire to exercise. I was VERY sick back in 1997. I had to do those moving jobs to pay my bills. That is hard work even when you are well. You NEED to do some exercise and you can do it. Just some simple aerobic exercise will help a lot. Get out of bed and take a walk for starters. Get some exercise. I am going to keep encouraging what I know to be simple, well founded principals of maintaining good health. You can tell me to be gone whenever you choose to and I will be gone. Unless and until then I will nag you about exercising.
You also discussed the solubleness or lack thereof of calcium undecylenete. This compound is without a doubt metabolized during digestion in ways similar to fatty acids which it`s chemical structure very closely resembles for whatever that is worth. I read vitamin D helps in the absorbtion of these metabolites for what that is worth.
I am curious as to why you would discuss how difficult this compound is to dissolve. I expect you are reading information provided by people ignorant of the different digestive processes and do question the validity of anything such authors have to say. Have they never bothered to read about digestion ? I thought such subjects were a part of High School level biology classes, but then I never went beyond the 9th grade so would not know what is taught or not taught in those classes.
I have studied advanced textbooks in: biology, chemistry, organic chemistry, and molecular biology though. I have NO degree in ANYTHING. But am at times amazed at what I have read by some supposed experts and their apparent ignorance of things as basic as the digestive processes. ...Oscar

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26. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   My dear Oscar,

I am surprised that I'm having a little debate with you about BHT of all things. Some people may think that 350 mg is all you should take or otherwise you're going to OD. However, did you read about the "BHT eater" in the book Life Extension by Durk Pearson and Sandy Shaw? Mr. "eater" took way more than 350 for years and never, ever had any side effects. Actually, you know when you've taken too much. You feel woozy and drunk. I've had that experience before, but it was truly massive amounts that I had taken.

What I meant about a problem with absorption of CU is that it is only soluble in boiling alcohol. You drop it in water and it floats on the top. You drop it in oil, and it floats on the top. You can stir it all you want, and it still floats on the top. So when you swallow a capsule, it will not be absorbed by your intestines because it hasn't dissolved.

Moreover, the supplements that contain CU are mostly made for intestinal fungi. The CU is not meant to be absorbed. Now if you heat up the CU in alcohol before taking it, then it will be absorbed. So that's an easy fix. I was just hoping that I could put it in capsules, so I wouldn't have to taste it.

Well, I got you by a year buddy. I made it to 10th grade before I dropped out. Then I got a GED in what would have been my senior year in high school. I then went to a 4 year college in West Virginia and dropped out in my first year. Finally I went to a local community college for 1-1/2 years and POSSIBLY got an AS degree in Electronics Maintence, which would have involved fixing computers. I never inquired about my potential degree because I decided to start my own business as a paralegal. I did that for a number of years and enjoyed it very much. Then I got sick and couldn't work anymore. And as the Temptations sang in Ball of Confusion, "The beat goes on."


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27. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Good morning Loran, Well my friend, as to what is a safe dosage: There are people who are sensitive to BHT, even at those 350mg dosages. Most are not as you know.
Regarding CU, I will say this: Just like BHT, and all fats and oils for that matter, they are all not soluble in water. They all have to go through a digestive process or processes that make them at least somewhat water soluble before they enter the bloodstream. For fats and oils this involves breaking the larger compounds into smaller molecules. For BHT it involves addition or substitution reactions resulting in the addition of at least one oxygen atom and sometimes more than one. I expect the same is true for CU after looking at it`s molecular structure.
The digestion of fats, oils, and other compounds with a high hydrocarbon content usually if not always includes some oxidation. It is a bit complex. The metabolism of BHT is well documented at this time and there are over 40 known metabolites of BHT for example.
This is not based on my opinions. You can go here to check that out if you wish to: http://www.inchem.org/documents/jecfa/jecmono/v35je02.htm
I continue to be amazed at the ignorance of many people looked upon as experts on the different supplements when it comes to the digestive processes. For example SOD < superoxide dismutase> is a macromolecule that without a doubt is broken down into what must be a very many smaller metabolites. And yet it is discussed in a way that implies it is somehow ingested and absorbed intact. Things like that. This is why large compounds such as insulin must be injected to do any good.
Anyway: have you tried taking smaller doses of BHT with water on an empty stomach or not ? Wishing you well and hoping you are getting better. ...Oscar

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28. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hi Oscar,
Well let's see. I've been taking approximately 2500 mg of BHT at a time with water. When I have some money, I'll buy some more. It comes in 250 mg capsules, so this time I'll take just 500 mg with water and see what happens. I'm also waiting to buy the CU when I have the money. Right now my main objective is to buy a Nikon camera so I can take pictures of items that I want to sell on eBay. Do you take SOD? I used to take it after reading the book Life Extension by Durk Pearson who recommended it. If I remember correctly I was taking pills of potassium chloride for the SOD. Here's a bit of a book I'm writing. (I was very lucky to go to a college prep school in 6th and 7th grades where I became rather proficient in English grammar and creative writing. And then silly me, I quit high school after 10th grade.)

There was a knock on the door and both Sarah and her mom went to answer it.

"Oh, hello Damian, please come in. How are you doing?" inquired Mrs. Hopkins.

"Oh fine," replied Damian. "How are you?"

"I'm doing well. Please have a seat here in the living room. You'll excuse me, but I'm slaving away in the kitchen. I wanna have dinner ready for Mr. Hopkins."

As Delores stepped into the kitchen, Sarah sat down next to Damian on the floral print couch. "How are you, sweetheart?" purred Sarah.

"Oh, just fine, baby," replied Damian, as he slipped his arm around her.

"Is that your history book on the coffee table?"

"Yeh, I've gotta go over some crazy stuff about the Second World War."

"World War II was pretty crazy," agreed Damian. "My father said that we could have prevented the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki."

I'm sorry people, but that's all of the book I can divulge at this time. To read the rest, you'll have to wait until it's published. Enjoy!


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29. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hello Loran, I am sorry I have not replied sooner. As far as SOD < superoxide dismutase> goes: In my opinion it is very much in doubt as a useful supplement. A very large, very complex molecule such as SOD is digested the same as all other such macromolecules and nothing even close to SOD enters the bloodstream after digestion. Also, SOD is created INSIDE the cells, and is far too large of a molecule to pass through the different cellular membranes. That is my opinion. I don`t know how to respond to the rest of your posting because I am not sure what your point is. I do not have a lot of sympathy for the Japanese DURING WWII. They killed tens of millions of Chinese during WWII, often using civilians for bayonet practice < an official government policy> and many other equally cruel policies. They owe the Chinese an apology, not to mention the way they treated USA POWs. Some of whom were dissected while fully conscious. They were incredibly cruel during WWII.
The USA was the main force that defeated Japan in WWII. Unlike the war against NAZI Germany, where it was mostly the Russians who defeated them. Whatever, it was a long time ago. ...Oscar

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30. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hi Oscar,

You know I never noticed any difference in my health when I was taking the potassium chloride as SOD. I think Durk Pearson recommended it, but I'm not quite sure it was so long ago.

The latter part of my email was simply part of a book I thought I might write. I doubt if I'll ever finish it. Here's a bit more.

"The problem for us was a numbers game," stated Damian matter of factly.

"What do you mean, honey?"

"Well, were more people gonna die if we let the bombs drop, or if we interrupted and disabled the Allies nuclear program and allowed the war to continue? It was pretty much a coin toss, but our people decided to let the bombs fly. Otherwise, there was no telling when the war would be over and how many millions more would be killed and cities destroyed."


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31. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   LAST EDITED ON Aug-27-11 AT 04:04 AM (CDST)
 
Good Morning Loran, I do not see what potassium Chloride has to do with SOD. Potassium Chloride is a simple, diatomic salt, whereas SOD is a very complex enzyme, two very different things.
I do enjoy your writing. WWII history is a subject I have an interest in. Here is a couple of other things you may know about the war against Japan for what it is worth. The Russians soundly defeated the Japanese in what was then called Mongolia in 1938. A little know piece of history. This was just prior to the invasion of Poland by Germany and the Russians. Yes, Germany and Russia were sort of allies at that point in time.
Also, in 1945, just prior to the Japanese surrender, the Russians attacked the Japanese again, driving that portion of the Japanese army down to the Korean peninsula. That event coincided with those atom bomb attacks, and some historians think it was the combined effect that brought about the Japanese surrender.
The Russians had, in my opinion, by far the most powerful land army in the World, vastly outnumbering all others in men and equipment. And an airforce that was rapidly achieving parity with that of the USA and the other allies.
The USA had a vastly superior Navy than the Russians. That, and the atom bomb may very well have been the only things that stopped the Russians, under Stalin, from attempting to achieve world domination for a little while. Stalin was every bit the military aggressor Hitler and the Japanese had been earlier. The Russian need for an alliance with the USA and the other Western Allies was a thing of the past at that time and we were already becoming advissaries by the end of WWII.
Another fascinating part of WWII history is the different wars that Finland fought. That is a unique history in and of itself. Wikipedia has a short but informative review of all that if you are interested.
Anyway, the usual fare we Americans are fed about WWII history leaves a lot to be desired in my opinion.
By the way: Has there been any noticeable improvement in your health ? We have drifted into a discussion of WWII history and I would like to know how your health is ? Take Care Loran, ...Oscar

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32. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hi Oscar,

I haven't taken any BHT for awhile now because I won't have the funds to buy any until the 1st. However, now that I know that the virus is lipid coated and I've cut down on my intake of animal fats and cholesterol, my liver doesn't hurt as much. It'll be an interesting experiment to take BHT and CU at the same time.

"Well, Jack's not a beast, and he's really not a bad guy. He just has a rugged, masculine appearance, and he's thickly muscled. But he would never hurt me," stated Sarah sincerely.

"Jack Sprat could eat no fat!" barked Damian. "When his people go on the war path, there's hell to pay. Anyone of Jack's relatives might take it upon themselves to teach you a lesson. I can't help you, Sarah, if you're in their presence, and they decide to do something mean and nasty."

"Oh, honey, Jack's alright. He's a man's man, and some girl's dream. But not mine anymore cause I have you."

Damian, a junior in high school, already stood 6'5". He was tall, blond and Nordic looking. A little on the slim side perhaps, but not skinny. That was the general appearance of all his people.


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33. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hello Oscar,

How are you my friend? I finally got my lab report. I don't know how to read it, but the amylase serum was 50 and the lipase serum was 55. The cholesterol was 227 which is high and the triglycerides were high.

Have you seen the somewhat pitiful video of Jim Carrey trying to put the make on Emma Stone? I couldn't believe it. Jim is so much better than that. Here's the link:
http://www.jimcarreytrulife.com/video-post/jim-carreys-message-to-emma-stone

That last little bit of my rough draft in my prior message sort of portays the deep feelings that Damian has for his new girlfriend Sarah. He's obviously jealous and somewhat unsure of himself regarding Sarah's ex-boyfriend Jack.


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34. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   LAST EDITED ON Aug-30-11 AT 01:58 PM (CDST)
 
Hello Loran, From what I just read those readings are in the normal or healthy range. Normal ranges: amylase = 70 - 200
lipase = 7 - 58

Does that seem correct to you ? I will link to that information. Well this is very good news. What were your previous numbers ? I am am sorry your cholesterol and triglyceride readings are still high.
Here is that link and scroll down to RESULTS for those numbers I posted. I have NO expertice in interpreting these test results. Does this agree with what you know ? http://www.enotes.com/nursing-encyclopedia/amylase-lipase-tests

Is this what people are referring to when they discuss AST and ALT numbers ? I will check into this some more and get back to you. I have some things I need to do. I am very much hoping you are making some significant progress with whatever form of hepatitis you have. Just maybe this BHT is working for you. Are you feeling any better ? ...Oscar
Post Script: AST and ALT tests are different than the ones you discussed with me. That link I provided does explain the tests you were given. ...Oscar

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35. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   My dear Oscar,

Yeh, it looks like the numbers are in the normal range right now. That's good and bad news. The good news is that my liver's not hurting as much. I think that's because of the large quantities of vitamin C I take. Vitamin C is a great antiviral. And the BHT may have something to do with it also.

In one previous test my ALT was 607. Normal is 0 - 44. My AST was 482. Normal is 14 - 39. And my LDH was 401. Normal is 120 - 246.

The bad news is that i still have the infection with some debilitating symptoms. However, I can't get any treatment for it because of the numbers being normal and the fact that I have non-A, non-B and non-C.

I think that the last little rough draft that I sent you was too melodramtic and lacking in humor. Humor is so important. So here's a bit of my revision.

"Oh, Damian honey, Jack's not a bad guy. He's just got a rugged, masculine appearance. Sometimes he thinks he's Popeye the sailor man and he calls me Olive Oil. It's kinda cute."



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36. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hello Oscar,

How are you my friend? How are you feeling? I hope that the pain has abated. I just ordered some BHT and CU. Wish me luck.

Yours,
Loran


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37. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hello Loran, I am sorry I have not been responding sooner than I have. I do fall into these depressions where I become very uncommunicative with everyone really. So, please, never take it personally. I value your friendship and am thankful for it.
I still have high hopes for BHT as a treatment for the different hepatitis viral diseases. Some people at the Earth Clinic Forum are giving BHT a try as a treatment for hepatitis C. Their results are still pending, not in yet. If some results are reported I will inform you of those results when they become available.
My physical health remains very good. I can not say the same for my mental health at this time.
How are you faring these days ? ...Oscar

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38. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hello Oscar,

Nice to hear from you my friend. I suffer from depression myself as does most everyone with hepatitis. My personality is no where near as communicative as it used to be. It's like I'm encased in a psychological shell. I would love to have a girlfriend, but I know I can't. I would just die if I gave this disease to some fair lady.

I'm quite interested to know the results of the Earth Clinic research study with BHT. Perhaps we can tell them about CU if it works for me. I can't stress enough how very lucky you were to be cured of hepatitis using BHT. I've never heard of it happening to anyone ever before. That's why I think the Lord who created us, and whom we all are a part of, has a mission for you. Your cure was truly miraculous. You may not know what your mission is yet. But it's there just waiting for you to discover it.

Check out this story of Mohamed Amin who was miraculously cured of AIDS and the amazing life that he is living now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGQc3cCPpPs&feature=related



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39. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hello Loran, It was the BHT that cured me of hepatitis-C and B also, not some miracle. I no longer test positive for either one of those infections whereas before I did. This includes the antibodies and antigens tests. It is as if I had never been infected with those diseases. This took some years of daily dosing with BHT to achieve. I do not know how many years. The VA quit testing me back in 1997 because I had been tested and retested and came back POSITIVE for both. I had myself retested in 1998 and still tested positive at that time.
I was retested by the VA in 2006 and that is when I was told I have no indication I was ever infected with HCV or HBV.
It was no surprise I had been infected back in 1997. I had received 17 blood transfusions in 1968 as part of my treatment for a really bad gunshot wound. My right kidney, most of my liver, and half of my large intestine were blown out my back along with extensive tissue damage throughout that area of my body. I lost a lot of blood also, therefore those blood transfusions.
I live with considerable chronic pain as a result of that injury and that is a big part of why I get so depressed. I DO NOT have hepatitis C anymore. I need to be clear about that.
Now it makes me unhappy to know you believe you can never have a girlfriend or a wife because you have some hepatitis infection. I lived with my wife for more than 20 years prior to my ever taking BHT and she never became infected with either HCV or HBV. Also there are rubbers you must know that by now.
Give the BHT a try without mixing it with other things as I suggested and see what happens. Also there are other people who had equally amazing results using BHT to treat hepatitis C. Read what January has to say about that here: http://forum.lef.org/default.aspx?f=41&m=44212
Please pay attention to what he says: He got well PRIOR to ever having mixed the BHT with coconut oil. That is what he states. ...Oscar

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40. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hi Oscar,

I am really very, very sorry about what happened to you. I can't believe a nice guy like you would ever get shot. I hope the person who did it is in prison for life. You're in my prayers.

January says that BHT cured him of hepatitis in one week. I suppose anything's possible.

"As of one week taking the BHT and prior using the oil I've had a persistant infection I'd been to a doctor twice for...but came back; this is gone baby"

Obviously BHT works for some people such as yourself, which is really great. Durk Pearson and others have made the antiviral qualities of BHT widely known. Over the years many people have taken it and still do for a variety of reasons. Perhaps not as much as before. If it worked for most people as a cure for hepatitis, wouldn't it be much more widely known and talked about? What's the word for a question with an obvious answer?

Anyway, I will continue to take BHT, as I have been doing on and off for a number of years. If it eventually works for me, that would be absolutely GREAT. And I'll have you to thank for telling me about it.


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41. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   LAST EDITED ON Sep-08-11 AT 03:07 AM (CDST)
 
Hi Loran, I was not that nice of a guy. I had volunteered for the Marine Corps and was wounded in Vietnam. I killed some enemy soldiers over there. Never any civilians, as was so often portrayed in the media. Anyway, I felt I had better clear that up. That was a long time ago. It seemed like the thing to do at that time to me. All my pals joining up. There was a deadly serious contest going on between the USA and the USSR back then. The Korean War, the Cuban Missile crisis and all that leading up to the Vietnam War.
Anyway my big cause now is to find out if BHT is as effective treatment for others as it was for me. At this time I am waiting on results from people at The Earth Clinic forum who are giving BHT a try. Hopefully some answers will be provided there.
We will see what happens, hopefully it will be good news. Also, you asked why so few have tried BHT for hepatitis. The only reason I can come up with is that so many people including Pearson and Shaw strongly advise anyone with liver disease NOT to use BHT.
From the toxicology reports I HAVE read: BHT is safe at the dosages I have discussed for most people. I have also read many studies that show a definite average lifespan increase in mice dosed with BHT over their entire lifetimes of between 22 to 45 percent in the different studies. ...Oscar

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42. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hi Oscar,

I never in a million years would have guessed that you were injured in Nam. Did you do your boot in Pendleton? Well, you did your duty to your country, and I thank you for that. You know, when you get to be our age, coming down with the hep can really kick butt!


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43. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   LAST EDITED ON Sep-09-11 AT 10:19 PM (CDST)
 
>Hi Oscar,
>
>I never in a million years would have guessed that you were
>injured in Nam. Did you do your boot in Pendleton? Well, you
>did your duty to your country, and I thank you for that. You
>know, when you get to be our age, coming down with the hep
>can really kick butt!

Oh yes, I was a Marine. Boot Camp was in San Diego, but infantry training was at Camp Pendleton. How did you know about Camp Pendleton ? Were you also in the Marine Corps ?
I had you figured for a much younger guy than me. ...Oscar

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44. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hello there Oscar,

How are you? I could have sworn that when I originally read your message that you had given me another, more private way to stay in contact with you. And now it's gone. Was I seeing things good buddy?

Anyway, I'm now taking both CU and BHT with a little wine chaser, and I'm thinking about adding boric acid to my arsenal. Some people claim that it cured them. I had thought about taking it before, but figured that since it kills roaches, it would also kill me. But apparently not from what others are saying.

You know, I've been thinking. Since I've been taking BHT off and on, but not on a real consistent basis, that the virus may have built up an immunity to it in my system. Who knows, right? In any event, I'll continue to take it.


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45. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   LAST EDITED ON Sep-12-11 AT 08:04 PM (CDST)
 
>Hello there Oscar,
>
>How are you? I could have sworn that when I originally read
>your message that you had given me another, more private way
>to stay in contact with you. And now it's gone. Was I seeing
>things good buddy?
>
>Anyway, I'm now taking both CU and BHT with a little wine
>chaser, and I'm thinking about adding boric acid to my
>arsenal. Some people claim that it cured them. I had thought
>about taking it before, but figured that since it kills
>roaches, it would also kill me. But apparently not from what
>others are saying.
>
>You know, I've been thinking. Since I've been taking BHT off
>and on, but not on a real consistent basis, that the virus
>may have built up an immunity to it in my system. Who knows,
>right? In any event, I'll continue to take it.

Good Morning Loran, You brought up an important point here: Is there not sound reasoning that would suggest hepatitis C and other viral diseases would not over time evolve a resistance to treatment with BHT in the same way and for the same reason many if not all bacterial diseases evolve resistance to the different antibiotics such as penicillin ? It seems to me these viruses may do just that. I have given it a good bit of thought and would suggest once you start the BHT treatment again that you stay with it. You tolerate BHT well and because of that I see every reason for you to stay with it. I have and still do. After all, there is very substantial evidence that BHT is in fact good for you. All those mice and other mammal studies that have proven a very significant average lifespan increase with daily dosing with BHT over the entire lifetimes of the animals studied of between 22% up to as much as 45%. Those are impressive results.
Take Care, ...Oscar

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46. "RE: BHT cured me of hepatitis-C"
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   Hi Oscar,

Yeh, it really would be a shame if I've got a resistance to BHT. Oh well, what can you do? I'll continue to take it anyway. The girl at this link was trying boric acid. I haven't been able to get a response from her so far. I hope she's okay. I signed up at lef
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4SUTjgVpMRAJ:www.wellsphere.com/hiv-aids-article/could-boric-acid-kill-hepatitis-c-completely/1108976+boric+acid+hiv&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


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