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"can herpes live in a chapstick or vaseline indefinitely?"
 
   LAST EDITED ON Apr-25-11 AT 06:51 AM (CDST)
 
Hey all, I have a couple questions about transmission from an object that remains moist (chapstick, vaseline) and the second ? goes to auto inoculation and triggering an outbreak.

One, can herpes live in chapstick for a long time, unlike on a hard dry surface? Can someone get herpes from using vaseline or chapstick that may have been exposed to virus weeks, days, months etc earlier?

Secondly, lets say I use a chapstick and have an active cold sore. We presume that there is virus now in the chapstick. Weeks or days or months later, I use that chapstick and my immune system happens to be a little tired. Will the viral load in the chapstick (for arguments sake) trigger an outbreak for me?

As a follow up once you have had herpes antibodies established, and have a current cold sore, can you spread additional cold sores on your face or eyes for example in the midst of an outbreak (via using chapstick or simply touching the cold sore and then touching your eye) or is it just additional activity from the nerves?

This was part of a thread on livejournal and I just wanted to ask it here since I just dont know for sure what the answers are.


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  RE: can herpes live in a chapstick or vaseline indefinitely? Lenoreadmin Apr-25-11 1
  RE: can herpes live in a chapstick or vaseline indefinitely? windyadmin Apr-25-11 2
     RE: can herpes live in a chapstick or vaseline indefinitely? Star Apr-25-11 3
         RE: can herpes live in a chapstick or vaseline indefinitely? Lenoreadmin Apr-26-11 6
  RE: can herpes live in a chapstick or vaseline indefinitely? BucknDaOdds Apr-26-11 5
     RE: can herpes live in a chapstick or vaseline indefinitely? Lenoreadmin Apr-26-11 7

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Lenoreadmin
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1. "RE: can herpes live in a chapstick or vaseline indefinitely?"
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   I'm pretty sure that the virus isn't going to live forever in a chapstick. In general, the virus doesn't live long away from the human body. There may be some studies to back this up if you do a search on pubmed.

If you have the virus and have antibodies you aren't going to trigger an outbreak by using a chapstick. If you have the virus and expose yourself to another person with the virus it isn't going to trigger an outbreak.

Sometimes an outbreak is one sore and sometimes it's a little more extensive, but you aren't spreading it around once you have antibodies.

Any studies that I have read regarding finding herpes virus on inanimate objects indicated that there wasn't enough virus there to for transmission to occur.


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2. "RE: can herpes live in a chapstick or vaseline indefinitely?"
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I wouldn't expect the virus to survive for very long in vaseline or chapstick. Both products contain emulsifiers, which help keep oil-soluble and water-soluble ingredients blended in the same way that soap will make oil and water mix. The outer coat of the herpes virus is lipid (oil-soluble), so it would be damaged by these ingredients. I would guess that the time scale would be measured in hours or maybe even minutes, rather than days, weeks or months.

If you've had herpes long enough to produce antibodies, then the risk of autoinoculation is very small. Lots of people cover their cold sores with chapstick, vaseline or lipstick and don't run into that problem.

That said, I would still recommend against touching an active cold sore and then immediately touching your eyes. Your eyes don't have the same protection as your skin and mucous membranes.


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3. "RE: can herpes live in a chapstick or vaseline indefinitely?"
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   LAST EDITED ON Apr-25-11 AT 04:59 PM (CDST)
 
I cant seem to convince someone in the forum that chapstick doesnt need to be labeled "outbreaks" and she really feels strongly that the virus can be triggered by using a chapstick that was exposed days or weeks earlier to her own cold sore.
So maybe another issue to explore is, viral load, and can you self trigger an outbreak?
Secondly, regarding triggering once you already have hsv.
If you and your partner both have hsv2, and one partner is having an outbreak, will his or her viral load cause you to have an outbreak?


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6. "RE: can herpes live in a chapstick or vaseline indefinitely?"
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   Sometimes you just can't convince people and you just have to let it go.

I'm not sure of the possible scenario where you can somehow expose yourself to your own virus and trigger an outbreak when the only time you're exposed to the virus is when you're already having an outbreak?

It's not really a great idea to have sex when you're having an outbreak because it's probably going to hurt and you are also going to expose yourself to bacterial infections. I can't think of any reason why this would trigger an outbreak.


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5. "RE: can herpes live in a chapstick or vaseline indefinitely?"
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   I have not found a reliable study that indicates just how long the virus can survive outside the human body. The "general answer" seems to be for "not long", what ever that means. So I wouldn't take a chance on it. When applying vasaline to your herpes outbreak use a cue-tip and dispose of same. As for chapstick, you shouldn't be using someone eles to begin with.

I would also treat the virus with the repsect it deserves in terms of transfering it to other parts of my own body. Particularly with regards to the eyes. Touching your open sore and then rubbing your eye by accident is just asking for trouble.

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7. "RE: can herpes live in a chapstick or vaseline indefinitely?"
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   The virus has a little lipid shell and when that dries out, it dies. If it lived a long time in large enough quantities to transmit, than we would be hearing about people getting herpes without sexual contact and that just isn't the case.

Soap and water is going to kill the virus, so washing your hands after touching a sore is a good idea and I agree about keeping your fingers out of your eyes.

I think what the original poster was asking was if you could give yourself an outbreak if you used your own chapstick that had previously been exposed to the virus and I think the general opinion is that this is something that we don't need to worry about.


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